Comments on: …while Rob still likes it Clinton-style

By: el polacko

el polacko — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:26:03 +0000

yes.. we all find DOMA noxious. however, as hill rightly points out, the part about not forcing other states to recognize gender-neutral marriages has been the most effective arguement against enshrining hetero-only marriage in the constitution. this is what we need : a smart, pragmatic politician who knows how to work the system to eventually get us where we want to be rather than a pie-in-the-sky promise that tomorrow everything will be fluffy bunnies and rainbows because everyone will just be so awed by the mere presence of a half-black str8 man in office that all opposition to our equal rights will just disappear into a cloud of “hope”. i have plenty of hope, thank you very much. i want a tough, knowledgeable advocate in office, not a faith healer.

By: because

because — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:14:09 +0000

I’ll stop calling her Hillary when her official campaign signs and placards stop saying “Hillary in ‘08″.

By: No

No — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:27:25 +0000

What? Obama has spoken about DOMA on the campaign trail several times. He was opposed to it from the start and would repeal the entire thing, as opposed to Clinton, who was for it and wouldn’t repeal it.

In particular, Obama would open the door for married gay couples to earn federal benefits and he would ensure that other states recognize marriages performed out-of-state. That’s a far, far bigger step on gay rights than HRC — in fact, it was second only to Kucinich amongst the Democratic candidates this season.

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:42:55 +0000

That’s not selling me on Obama, it’s selling me on Not Clinton.

Besides, no one’s heard Obama even say a word about DOMA since he was a State Senator. Neither supports same sex marriage, but neither is going to stop individual states from allowing it. What’s the difference?

By: No

No — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:37:34 +0000

They do not have similar stances on gay issues. Do you remember how Hillary supported Bill’s vote on DOMA, the most homophobic piece of legislation enacted by a liberal president? She still won’t apologize for coming out in favor of it and she refuses to repeal the entire thing. That’s HRC in a nutshell — she refuses to apologize for her centrist pandering. She is far more conservative than he is (it’s a result of 90s Clinton triangulating), and why do we need to run a candidate like that?

There you go…and I didn’t even use “hope,” “change,” “unity,” “Kennedy” or “poetry”!

By: Mr. Bill

Mr. Bill — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:25:27 +0000

Turnout was not huge at 7:20 this morning, as I was ballot #20 through the machine. But I can’t recall ever casting a vote feeling like a traitor to the world- hell, calling the Iraq invasion “ill conceived” one wasn’t made to feel so, well, out of the cool kid’s group. Great story on Slate about that, too.

As everyone has said, democracy in the Democratic party means that unless someone comes out so violently ahead in this process, it will drag on until summer. Of course, someone will dare to say something good about HRC in the press, and conversely the freight train of hope (wasn’t that a 4 Non-Blondes lyric?) will surely hit a tariff crossing. But Mitt may soon have time on his hands to take the gardening duties off the undocumented help, and that’s indeed, something…